{"id":4804,"date":"2018-12-19T10:00:37","date_gmt":"2018-12-19T09:00:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/?p=4804"},"modified":"2023-08-04T19:36:10","modified_gmt":"2023-08-04T17:36:10","slug":"avez-vous-etudie-le-latin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/avez-vous-etudie-le-latin\/","title":{"rendered":"Avez-vous \u00e9tudi\u00e9 le latin?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Tous les curieux qui passent devant la porte donnant acc\u00e8s au r\u00e9duit de l\u2019ancien fort de la Chartreuse, s\u2019ils ont lev\u00e9 la t\u00eate, ont d\u00fb voir, lire peut-\u00eatre, la devise en latin surmontant l\u2019entr\u00e9e principale (1).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1140\" height=\"760\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4811\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg 1140w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-300x200.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-1024x683.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1140px) 100vw, 1140px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Entr\u00e9e de l\u2019ancien fort hollandais de la Chartreuse \u2014 Photo: A. Rombauts, 9\/2018<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Parmi les nombreux sites web (2) qui pr\u00e9sentent une histoire du fort, quelques-uns y font r\u00e9f\u00e9rence et donnent parfois une traduction, chaque fois identique<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">&nbsp; \u2014 les sites web se recopient souvent\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ainsi, le blog d\u2019Hubert Hedebouw (3) donne cette traduction: \u00ab&nbsp;Le courage ne laisse rien qu\u2019il n\u2019ait tent\u00e9&nbsp;\u00bb en pr\u00e9cisant qu\u2019il s\u2019agirait d\u2019une phrase de S\u00e9n\u00e8que, extraite de \u00ab&nbsp;De la Bienfaisance&nbsp;\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lucius Annaeus Seneca, dit S\u00e9n\u00e8que le Jeune (4) \u00e9tait un philosophe, un dramaturge et un homme d&rsquo;\u00c9tat romain du Ier si\u00e8cle de notre \u00e8re (4 Av. J.C. &#8211; 65 Apr. J.C.) Dans \u00ab&nbsp;Des Bienfaits&nbsp;\u00bb, Livre VII, chapitre XV on trouve effectivement une partie de ce texte: \u00ab&nbsp;<i><b>\u2026nihil intentatum relinquit<\/b>, non potes dicere; utrumque enim praestat, quantum in se est<\/i>&nbsp;\u00bb (5). Cette phrase ne peut donc pas \u00eatre celle grav\u00e9e par les b\u00e2tisseurs hollandais. D\u2019ailleurs que viendrait faire un extrait des \u00ab&nbsp;Bienfaits&nbsp;\u00bb sur un ouvrage militaire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plusieurs recueils de sentences d\u2019auteurs latins, imprim\u00e9s entre la fin du XVIe et le d\u00e9but du XVIIe si\u00e8cle, donnent un texte \u00ab plus complet\u00bb, comportant un vers suppl\u00e9mentaire, ignor\u00e9 dans la devise du fort (6):<br><i>Eneruos animos virtus odisse solet<\/i><br><i>Nihil intentatum relinquit virtus<\/i><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1730\" height=\"652\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4813\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum.jpg 1730w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum-300x113.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum-1024x386.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum-768x289.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sentence-nihil-intentatum-1536x579.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1730px) 100vw, 1730px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Extrait de <i>Sentential Cicerones, Demosthenis, Ac Terentii<\/i><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Le recueil attribue les vers \u00e0 Ovide (7). Publius Ovidius Naso (43 Av. J.C. &#8211; 17 Apr. J.C.), \u00e9tait un po\u00e8te latin. Ses \u0153uvres les plus connues sont l&rsquo;Art d&rsquo;aimer et les M\u00e9tamorphoses. Mais, ici non plus, il n\u2019a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 possible de trouver ces vers dans les tr\u00e8s nombreux documents disponibles sur le web&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La traduction assez litt\u00e9rale propos\u00e9e dans ce recueil, \u00abLa vertu hait ordinairement les esprits eff\u00e9min\u00e9s et sans nulle force, comme aussi elle ne laisse chose sans y donner atteinte pour l\u2019entreprendre\u00bb, est fort \u00e9loign\u00e9e de notre langue du XXIe si\u00e8cle. Dans son ouvrage de 1995, Jules Loxhay (8) donne une traduction libre de la devise: \u00abA c\u0153ur vaillant, rien d\u2019impossible\u00bb. Pourquoi pas? Le terme \u00abvirtus\u00bb fait r\u00e9f\u00e9rence chez les Romains \u00e0 la virilit\u00e9, \u00e0 la vaillance, au courage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quand on sait que cette sentence est class\u00e9e par l\u2019auteur du recueil dans la rubrique \u00ab&nbsp;Fortitudinis&nbsp;\u00bb (De la force), et avec le contexte des deux vers, on comprend qu\u2019elle ait \u00e9t\u00e9 choisie par des militaires\u2026 En introduction \u00e0 son article traitant du fort hollandais (9), Jacques Li\u00e9nard proposait: \u00abLe courage peut tout oser\u00bb. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/lasbl\/lequipe\/\">Christian Pisart<\/a> a interrog\u00e9 une latiniste, qui a interpr\u00e9t\u00e9 la devise: \u00abQuand plus rien ne peut \u00eatre tent\u00e9, reste le courage\u00bb. Dans le contexte de l\u2019utilisation, de la devise, cette traduction semble fort fid\u00e8le.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Si un \u00e9rudit, un autre latiniste lit cette tentative de faire le point sur la question, qu\u2019il nous adresse une meilleure traduction&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>(1) \u00c0 propos de la structure du r\u00e9duit du fort, voir notre article <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/le-fort-du-declassement-a-labandon-1\/\"><b><i>Le fort, du d\u00e9classement \u00e0 l\u2019abandon (1)<\/i><\/b><\/a><br>(2) Voir les sites:<br>&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.clham.org\/t-1-fasc-9-10-chartreuse\"><b><i>La Chartreuse. Couvent, couvent fortifi\u00e9, fort, caserne<\/i><\/b><\/a>, Meijers &#8211; Balck, CLHAM, 1982;<br>&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.museedevise.be\/visite-de-la-chartreuse-a-liege\/\"><b><i>Visite de la Chartreuse \u00e0 Li\u00e8ge<\/i><\/b><\/a>, Mus\u00e9e de Vis\u00e9;<br>&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/derelicta.pagesperso-orange.fr\/lachartreuse.htm\"><b><i>La Chartreuse de Li\u00e8ge<\/i><\/b><\/a> (Reliques Souterrains &amp; Industries);<br>&#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gaudry.be\/photo\/fort-de-chartreuse-de-liege\/\"><b><i>Le fort de la Chartreuse de Li\u00e8ge<\/i><\/b><\/a> (Photobrol, St\u00e9phane Gaudry).<br>(3) Voir <a href=\"http:\/\/hachhachhh.blogspot.com\/2018\/02\/37ieme-balade-sante-mplp-la-chartreuse.html\"><b><i>37ieme balade sant\u00e9 \u00e0 la Chartreuse<\/i><\/b><\/a><br>(4) Voir<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%A9n%C3%A8que\"><b><i> fiche S\u00e9n\u00e8que<\/i><\/b><\/a> (Wikipedia)<br>(5) Voir <a href=\"http:\/\/agoraclass.fltr.ucl.ac.be\/concordances\/sen_bienfaitsVII\/lecture\/2.htm\"><b><i>Les Bienfaits, S\u00e9n\u00e8que<\/i><\/b><\/a>.<br>(6)<i> Sentential Cicerones, Demosthenis, Ac Terentii,<\/i> Arnoldi Birckmanni, 1573, page 241 (num\u00e9risation disponible sur Google Books)<i>.<\/i><br>(7) Voir<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ovide\"><b><i> fiche Ovide<\/i><\/b><\/a> (Wikipedia)<br>(8) <i>Le fort de la Chartreuse, Historique de la gen\u00e8se \u00e0 nos jours<\/i>, Jules Loxhay, Pimm\u2019s Editions, 1995, p.73, \u00a71.<br>(9) <i>Le fort de la Chartreuse, cr\u00e9ation hollandaise (1818-1823) \u00e0 Li\u00e8ge<\/i>, Jacques Li\u00e9nard, Bulletin d&rsquo;Information du CLHAM, vol.&nbsp;VII, no&nbsp;9,\u200e janvier-mars 2000, p.&nbsp;5-28.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Andr\u00e9 Rombauts<\/p>\n<div class=\"pdfprnt-buttons pdfprnt-buttons-post pdfprnt-bottom-right\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4804?print=pdf\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-pdf\" target=\"_blank\" ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/pdf.png\" alt=\"image_pdf\" title=\"T\u00e9l\u00e9charger le PDF\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4804?print=print\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-print\" target=\"_blank\" ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/print.png\" alt=\"image_print\" title=\"Contenu imprim\u00e9\" \/><\/a><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tous les curieux qui passent devant la porte donnant acc\u00e8s au r\u00e9duit de l\u2019ancien fort de la Chartreuse, s\u2019ils ont lev\u00e9 la t\u00eate, ont d\u00fb voir, lire peut-\u00eatre, la devise en latin surmontant l\u2019entr\u00e9e principale (1). Parmi les nombreux sites web (2) qui pr\u00e9sentent une histoire du fort, quelques-uns y font r\u00e9f\u00e9rence et donnent parfois [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":4811,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_eb_attr":"","_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4804","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-au-fil-des-jours"],"featured_image_src":"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg","author_info":{"display_name":"Pierre Michaux","author_link":"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/author\/pmichaux\/"},"uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg",1140,760,false],"thumbnail":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-150x150.jpg",150,150,true],"medium":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-300x200.jpg",300,200,true],"medium_large":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-768x512.jpg",768,512,true],"large":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918-1024x683.jpg",1024,683,true],"1536x1536":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg",1140,760,false],"2048x2048":["http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/porte-fort-0918.jpg",1140,760,false]},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"Pierre Michaux","author_link":"http:\/\/www.lachartreuse.org\/web\/author\/pmichaux\/"},"uagb_comment_info":1,"uagb_excerpt":"Tous les curieux qui passent devant la porte donnant acc\u00e8s au r\u00e9duit de l\u2019ancien fort de la Chartreuse, s\u2019ils ont lev\u00e9 la t\u00eate, ont d\u00fb voir, lire peut-\u00eatre, la devise en latin surmontant l\u2019entr\u00e9e principale (1). 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